An argument for Civil Disobedience

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As best as I can tell, the struggle for marital equality has been largely driven by protests and lobbying. I think it's time to step it up a notch.
Here's how, and why.

How:
State, Local and Federal governments create a lot of paper work.
There are all sorts of forms out there. A lot of them ask you to list marital status. If large numbers of same-sex couples started to list themselves as married on every government form they fill out, it could create quite a headache. Yes, I'm talking about tax forms too.

Could you imagine if every couple that was married in San Francisco...
Got together on April 15th...
And went to the biggest post office in town...
And filed their state and federal taxes jointly...
While the TV cameras rolled?

Could you imagine couples in other cities doing the same?

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Why:

You may ask:
Why bother? - the IRS will just send the forms back!
... So send them right on back to the IRS again!

You may say: Well then they'll just start arresting people.
...They may, but if there are enough protesters, they'll have to arrest thousands. And they'll have to do it by coming into private homes. If they do this, they lose, particularly if the arrests get videotaped.

See middle America may be homophobic, but they're usually pretty lazy about it. Saying "you can't get married" is a passive sort of oppression. They don't have to drag anybody to jail, they just refuse to issue certain documents.

Oppression becomes a lot more difficult when the victim dares his oppressor to act. Think about the riots years ago in San Francisco and New York. People saw gays being violently mistreated, and some of them started to sympathize. This was a great source of momentum.

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So, let me summarize my suggested plan:
1. Gays and Lesbians around the country should file their state and federal income taxes jointly, at well publicized events. For good measure, everybody also vows to list themselves as married on Driver's License renewals, deeds, and absolutely any other official document.

2. Next, well publicized letter opening parties: The govenment will inevitably send notices saying that the joint filings are not allowed. Gays and Lesbians around the country can get together at well publicized events, open the notices, and burn them.

3. The government then has two choices: Arrest a lot of people, or surrender. If they surrender, great. If they decide to be mean, they'll have to do it on camera, and every viedo clip will be a nail in the coffin of homophobia. People don't like to see oppression. The way it is now, they can look the other way. That has to change. If couples are hauled off in cuffs, on camera, just for decclaring their love to the state, something major will start to give way.


So that's it, that's my plan. Any comments?





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  • Re: An argument for Civil Disobedience

    Sun, September 18, 2005 - 9:40 AM
    i have some critical feedback around civil disobedience tactics to offer.

    i'm not saying you shouldn't go forward with your plans. i'm only observing its weak points that would need to be addressed in order to build the most effective strategy.

    first off, i'm pretty ignorant around tax forms and other paperwork. i admit that i didn't realize it was an arrestable offense to check the married box when one's marriage hasn't been legally recognized. is this really something that people could be arrested for???

    you write: "See middle America may be homophobic, but they're usually pretty lazy about it. Saying "you can't get married" is a passive sort of oppression. They don't have to drag anybody to jail, they just refuse to issue certain documents."

    middle Americans aren't the only ones who are lazy and/or passive. imnsho, a great deal of support from the larger Gay and Lesbian community for marriage has been rather lazy/passive. many seem to feel that they are "doing their part" for equality by donating money to organizations or going to marches with signs. Marching and protesting seem rather ineffective in influencing others these days. i still go to them, but they are way less productive than they used to be. Dubya managed to ignore millions of anti-war protestors gathered around the world and still invaded Iraq.

    in my experience people have to feel really strongly about something in order to put their asses on the line for it. there would have been alot fewer couples in line to get married in San Francisco if they had been facing risk of arrest. also, the actual number of Gays and Lesbians who are in relationships and want legal marriage seems to me to be a minority of the G/L community. (support for marriage seems more about lip service because it's trendy to say you support it. actually it sometimes seems quite difficult and rather unpopular in a groups of Lesbians and Gay men for a Gay person to dissent and say that they don't agree that marriage is something desirable for whatever reason.) thus, there is a relatively small pool of potential people to draw upon since straight supporters of marriage equality cannot be arrested unless they lie on their forms.

    "Oppression becomes a lot more difficult when the victim dares his oppressor to act. Think about the riots years ago in San Francisco and New York. People saw gays being violently mistreated, and some of them started to sympathize. This was a great source of momentum. "

    ew yuck. i don't like language which casts Gays and Lesbians as "victims" of oppression, unless that is were talking about actual violence. and even then, seeing ourselves as "victims" is incredibly disempowering. how bout "survivors".

    Civil disobedience where people get arrested is way less effective than it used to be. Attitudes toward non-violent protestors seem to have shifted in the U.S. in recent years. Unlike the classic days of civil disobedience in the struggle for racial equality, people these days are less inclined to see martyrdom as noble. Such tactics depend on the majority of people adopting a more or less Christian approach which idealizes suffering for one's beliefs. People in general seem more jaded and callous these days. They are moved by suffering caused by national disastors. But activists and protestors who are willing to risk police brutality and arrest are often seen as stupid, extremists or rabblerousers who are getting what they deserve. After 9-11, many people tend to see the cops as heroes. Thus, police brutality against protestors is less likely to create feelings of sympathy and support.

    On the other hand, since the Gay and Lesbian people getting arrested would be less inclined to be filmed with their asses, cocks or tits hanging out or in their leather or drag, such efforts would might turn out to be a good bit of PR to continue balancing out the more "stereotypical" images reinforced by the wilder participants at Gay Pride Marches ;D
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      Re: An argument for Civil Disobedience

      Sun, September 18, 2005 - 12:05 PM
      Thanks for the feedback.

      I don't know if it would actually ever come down to people getting arrested. I do think at the very least it would be a wonderful symbolic gesture of defiance. It's tangible defiance, without any viciousness.

      As for a couple of other criticisms you made: Victim vs. survivor, you may have a point. Fairly semantic if you ask me. I wouldn't want to call gays vicitms. But, my statement was more about joe and jane sixpack turning on their TV and seeing gays being victimized by the cops. From the perspective of the TV audience, what's being seen is a oppressor-victim relationship, and the inclination is to side with the so called "victim".

      My goal isn't to get people arrested. It is to create a situation where the government looks like it's being oppressive. To most liberals, it already does. But I think the sort of civil disobedience I'm proposing would certainly weaken all the bullshit "defending marriage" rhetoric of the right.

      Again, thank you for your feedback. The most clear criticism that you made, and the most valuable one is about consequences. I need to research them more. I need to know what the government does about people who use official paperwork as a vehicle for protest.
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        Re: An argument for Civil Disobedience

        Mon, September 19, 2005 - 10:55 AM
        I've been following this and trying not to butt in, because I think I saw the same post elsewhere, but I think:

        1) Give it a year or two. These kinds of things need to be timed right. In 2 years, people will have seen that Mass. has not turned into Sodom, and be a lot more receptive. Not that you COULDN'T do it now... I just think you'd end up having to do it all over again in 2 years.

        2) Yes, we ARE victims of a system that is unjust. Just as much as African Americans were 60 years ago.
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          Re: An argument for Civil Disobedience

          Mon, September 19, 2005 - 1:21 PM
          Oh you're more than welcome to butt in. I WANT feedback.
          I don't intend to lead this fight anyway, it wouldn't be right, I'm not gay.
          I want to plant the idea in the community, because I think it might work. Who decides to act upon it, and when is up to the community and it's leaders. I'll certainly help, though.

          As for the multiple posts, that's because there are two tribes for this topic.
          There really ought to be a merge.
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            Re: An argument for Civil Disobedience

            Mon, September 19, 2005 - 1:55 PM
            How could we merge?

            No, it would be perfectly right for you to lead this fight - there were German students leading the fight in Paris in '68 - thanks for being here - it's everybody's fight.
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              Re: An argument for Civil Disobedience

              Tue, September 20, 2005 - 1:04 AM
              the only way I can think of for a merger to happen was if the moderators of the two tribes decided to do it, and contacted the people who run this site. I'm sure it's possible.

              I don't know if there is any reason for there to be two, there may be and I may not be aware of it. Perhaps this tribe is not just about the fight, but about being gay and married?

              I'm also curious to see how many members the two tribes have in common.
              • Re: An argument for Civil Disobedience

                Tue, January 31, 2006 - 3:46 AM
                I just joined the tribe, and found you on a google search. I was searchng for our story about civil disobedience. You guys are great. We are doing civil disobedience in North Carolina. It is up to the individual. Some are not in a position to go to prison. I am. Here is a link from a recent report. I am old enough to be your grandfather, but nothing left to lose, except material crap. A whole bunch of postivie energy to gain. Taking a stand, and doing something to change the evil empire in Washington. Our tax free gay organizations are not going to do much, except give black tie fundraising events..
                Charles
                www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp

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